So let me get this straight. Lev 19:27 says that you should not cut off your beard, but the JWs say you can't have one. Then the next verse, 28, says not to get tatoos, but the JWs allow it. Is that just about right?
Talk about ass-backwards.
Stan
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Tattoos or not tattoos...
by Cthulhu inalright, ive posted on here a couple of times, but let me tell you a little bit more about myself.
i have been doubting for some time, and fading for some time.
i've not been to a meeting for some months.
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Beard stories. Nothing but beards.
by Open mind ini've done a jwn search on beards and had some great reads.. i've learned the history of russell vs. rutherford and knorr and the hippies.. here's what i'd like to hear about.. either you or someone you know who grew a beard and the fallout because of it.. for me, i'd love to hear about the squeaky clean elder who decided to grow a beard and got removed because of it.. katie kitten, from england, on another thread told the story of her dad, the squeaky clean elder who grew a beard in the 70's and got away with it.. i don't think that would happen in california 2009.. anyway, what are your beard stories?.
i'm all ears.
(and my ears are freshly plucked.
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I was permanently removed from the Theocratic ministry school (is that right??) because I had a beard. I had a talk coming up the following week and I was told to shave the beard or I couldn't give the talk. I refused because he couldn't provide biblical reasons for his request, so I was booted out for good. I was pretty happy about that. Two or three years later, when a different elder was running the show, they asked me to re-join the school. I told him to get lost.
I was outta there not long after that.
Stan
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Songs that Seem to Celebrate Leaving the WTS
by blondie inwell, i heard some people talkin?
just the other day.
and they said you were gonna put me on a shelf.
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Stan Conroy
I've got two from Rush. You don't even need to substitute any words for these to fit the situation perfectly:
The Big Wheel
Well, I was only a kid -- didn't know enough to be afraid
Playing the game, but not the way the big boys played
Nothing to lose -- maybe I had something to trade
The way the big wheel spins
Well, I was only a kid, on a holy crusade
I placed no trust in a faith that was ready-made
Take no chances on paradise delayed
So I do a slow fade
Playing for time
Don't want to wait for heaven
Looking for love
For an angel to forgive my sins
Playing with fire
Chasing something new to believe in
Looking for love
The way the big wheel spins
Well, I was only a kid, cruising around in a trance
Prisoner of fate, victim of circumstance
I was lined up for glory, but the tickets sold out in advance
The way the big wheel spins
Well, I was only a kid, gone without a backward glance
Going for broke, going for another chance
Hoping for heaven -- hoping for a fine romance
If I do the right dance
Wheel goes round, landing on a twist of faith
Taking your chances you'll have the right answers
When the final judgment begins
Wheel goes round, landing on a leap of fate
Life redirected in ways unexpected
Sometimes the odd number wins
The way the big wheel spins"Faithless"
I've got my own moral compass to steer by
A guiding star beats a spirit in the sky
And all the preaching voices -
Empty vessels of dreams so loud
As they move among the crowd
Fools and thieves are well disguised
In the temple and market place
Like a stone in the river
Against the floods of spring
I will quietly resist
Like the willows in the wind
Or the cliffs along the ocean
I will quietly resist
I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief
You can call me faithless
I still cling to hope
And I believe in love
And that's faith enough for me
I've got my own spirit level for balance
To tell if my choice is leaning up or down
And all the shouting voices
Try to throw me off my course
Some by sermon, some by force
Fools and thieves are dangerous
In the temple and market place
Like a forest bows to winter
Beneath the deep white silence
I will quietly resist
Like a flower in the desert
That only blooms at night
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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Stan Conroy
- A powerful creative force or personality.
- A public magistrate in some ancient Greek states.
- Demiurge A deity in Gnosticism, Manichaeism, and other religions who creates the material world and is often viewed as the originator of evil.
- Demiurge A Platonic deity who orders or fashions the material world out of chaos.
I didn't know either.
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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Stan Conroy
Isn't that 3 things?
Your third point is interesting. These were god's chosen people, yet they seemed to lack a basic intrinsic conscience. Without a king, they didn't know throwing your wife and daughter out to the perverts was not a good idea? They couldn't think for themselves and do the right thing without being told what to think and how to act? Wait a second, something seems familiar about that...
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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Stan Conroy
No, it doesn't specifically say god agreed with it, but I didn't see any condemnation either. Like usual, god was too busy to save this woman when she really needed his help.
I wonder if she prayed while she was being abused? Maybe her faith wasn't strong enough for god to bother with her. Or maybe the whole thing is fiction, just like the big exodus out of Egypt. Seems strange that 600,000 men plus their wives (if they didn't chop them up first) and children (if they didn't vow them to god and kill them first) wouldn't leave evidence after 40 years of wandering in the desert.
As for how men read these accounts, I would say that any delusional person who hangs on every word of it probably will rationalize it into something good. The rest of us with actual thinking ability find it repulsive.
Stan
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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By the way, you should have read a little farther. After the concubine died from a night of violent rape, he cuts her up into 12 pieces and distributes her dismembered parts to the tribes of Israel.
Good times....
Stan
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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Stan Conroy
"It was a mess of men deciding what they thought was appropriate. No king around. It was a mess."
Where was their god? Their god could bring 10 plagues on Egypt, split the Red Sea, provide manna for nourishment, but wasn't paying attention when they decided that raping young girls was a good idea?
This is just another example of the absurdity of the "good book".
Stan
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This Bible passage has always bothered me.......
by palmtree67 inthis is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).
a levite marries himself a concubine.
she's unfaithful and goes back home.
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Stan Conroy
The answer is simple. The bible is a compilation of myths and bizarre stories (such as this) and has nothing to do with reality. Who ever decided to write this horrible story must have been pretty proud of their lack of respect for the women in their lives.
This isn't a book I would cherish, respect or acknowledge as anything more then the trash it is.
Sorry, but you did ask for my thoughts.
Stan
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Debunking the "Faithful and Discrete Slave" concept
by Awakened at Gilead inmy latest video... check it out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyjca1-q60.
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Stan Conroy
I never bought into this line of reasoning even when I was a JW. How does the little old lady taking the emblems have anything to do with what is taught by the WT society? The answer is: she doesn't. This is a publishing/real estate business run by a few men in NYC, nothing more.
Look forward to more videos.
Stan